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Flexible Spending - Metric - cumulative annualized return in place of ATH

Original title: Enable more return metrics (e.g. annualized return) for determining flexible spending

The flex spending feature is great but having it be based on Post-Inflation All-Time High creates a lot of confusion and limitations.

For instance, the way I want to model flexible spending is to be be based on the average annualized return of my portfolio without inflation, not just % from latest ATH

Imagine this sequence of returns Year 1 - Market Return 0%, Inflation 3% Year 2 - Market Return 0%, Inflation 3% Year 3 - Market Return 0%, Inflation 3% Year 4 - Market Return 10%, Inflation 3%

At the end of Year 4 we are at a new ATH but my portfolio is severely underperforming historical average annualized returns. Average annualized returns before accounting for inflation (Nominal Return) is 2.41% per year, and after accounting for inflation (Real Return) is -0.57%

As a result, the correct response should be to keep cutting my discretionary until the market (hopefully) does some mean reversion upward to have higher annualized real returns. It makes no sense to increase discretionary spending after Year 4 when the real returns from Year 0 are NEGATIVE!

To account for this we shouldn’t use offset from All-Time High, but instead track the average annualized real return and set a threshold for flexing spending.

One benefit of tracking the annualized return from some date is that it accounts for length of downturn as well.

Say you want to capture these two ideas (and forgive the mathematical simplification):

  1. If annualized return is below 4% for FIVE YEARS flex spending down by 50%

OR

  1. If annualized return is below 20% for ONE YEAR flex spending down by 50%

This is more easily captured by simply tracking the annualized return over a window of the most recent 5 years than having separate rules

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Suggested 17 October by user Taako Magnusen

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  • 17 October Taako Magnusen suggested this task

  • 19 October Shawn Sansom edited this task

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    Thanks John!

    To keep things tidy, we’ll keep this request to JUST to Taako’s idea. Annualized Return rate instead of ATH. Only upvote if this is what you want. If you’re looking for something else, put in another request and be specific about what metric you would like to use in place of All-time-high.

    But if you’re looking to brainstorm on ideas, the discord thread here is a good place to go:https://discord.com/channels/869222901054857216/1428778865664458822

    19 October
  • 19 October Shawn Sansom approved this task

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    I think I understand what’s being suggested here, and if I do, I think there are 2 separate suggestions: (1) the return index should include inflation, and (2) we should base flex decisions on cumulative return over the last N years, not on our deviation from the ATH.

    I think I’m on board with (1) – a quick experiment indicates that the return index is not paying attention to inflation and it seems clearly (?) correct to change that.

    For (2), I’m less sure. I’m on board, I think, with what Taako is suggesting – we make our plans assuming the future will provide some selected real ROR. If the cumulative RROR is below that assumption, we should flex our spending down. I agree with that.

    What I’m unsure of is whether that’s so uncorrelated with the current return index (assuming it’s inflation adjusted) that it matters which one we use.

    What we need is a metric that * can be easily measured, in the real world, at the beginning of the year. We are going to make decisions here, right? * is well correlated with the “deviation from assumed constant RROR” described above (and by Taako).

    I haven’t thought hard about whether PL’s return index is any better or worse than anything else here. To me, I can now answer the question, “If I was willing to cut spending sometimes, if the market is down, would I increase my CoS?” – so I’m good. Is PL going to introduce a tool that I’m willing to be guided by in the future – “PL says we need to spend 20% less this year, so buckle up!”? Not sure.

    19 October
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    that’s interesting. Definitely feels like ATH should be inflation-adjusted.

    20 October
  • 22 October